Comments on: Desensitisation http://forensic4cast.com/2009/03/21/desensitisation/ Welcome to our podcast discussing issues relating to digital forensics Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:18:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: kleanchap http://forensic4cast.com/2009/03/21/desensitisation/comment-page-1/#comment-311 kleanchap Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:04:34 +0000 http://4cast.whitfields.org/?p=184#comment-311 I agree with the author on conditioning. This particular area is a lot more disturbing/uncomfortable to get used to. No matter how professional you are, it will eventually get to you. I was involved in ethical hacking project for 3 years in 1997 onwards. At that time I frequented the hacking websites which had nothing but doom and gloom type of material. After a week of going to these sites, I told myself that enough is enough. There is some level of bad you can accept, after which I do not think most normal people will have an appetite for it. The material itself will emotionally hijack you. Your colleague must be a real professional to be doing this classification for decades. I would like to hear some advice from him on how to get some level of reasonable tolerance and be objective during classification process. I agree with the author on conditioning. This particular area is a lot more disturbing/uncomfortable to get used to. No matter how professional you are, it will eventually get to you. I was involved in ethical hacking project for 3 years in 1997 onwards. At that time I frequented the hacking websites which had nothing but doom and gloom type of material. After a week of going to these sites, I told myself that enough is enough. There is some level of bad you can accept, after which I do not think most normal people will have an appetite for it. The material itself will emotionally hijack you.

Your colleague must be a real professional to be doing this classification for decades. I would like to hear some advice from him on how to get some level of reasonable tolerance and be objective during classification process.

]]> By: Jan Collie http://forensic4cast.com/2009/03/21/desensitisation/comment-page-1/#comment-256 Jan Collie Thu, 14 May 2009 10:33:09 +0000 http://4cast.whitfields.org/?p=184#comment-256 I completely agree with your sentiments. I have heard people say they get desensitized to viewing this type of material but I couldn't, personally. It is utterly sickening. Working mainly for the defense on criminal issues, I'm always careful to ask the acting solicitor whether the client contests that images of X or Y severity exist on the equipment in question or whether the client contests how they got there. Affirmative to the latter means I can avoid viewing most of the stuff, verifying placement on path and file name. I'm quite happy to accept the Prosecution's grading in these circs, thanks. I completely agree with your sentiments. I have heard people say they get desensitized to viewing this type of material but I couldn’t, personally. It is utterly sickening.
Working mainly for the defense on criminal issues, I’m always careful to ask the acting solicitor whether the client contests that images of X or Y severity exist on the equipment in question or whether the client contests how they got there. Affirmative to the latter means I can avoid viewing most of the stuff, verifying placement on path and file name.
I’m quite happy to accept the Prosecution’s grading in these circs, thanks.

]]> By: Tim http://forensic4cast.com/2009/03/21/desensitisation/comment-page-1/#comment-247 Tim Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:48:37 +0000 http://4cast.whitfields.org/?p=184#comment-247 You have one person does all the categorising?!! What a horrific job! I wouldn't want to put that kind of a load on one person. I had a horrific job this last week with several thousand level 1-4s but I will get a couple of frauds or a drugs investigation next, thats just the way we spread the jobs. Breaking it up makes it tolerable, if I was dealing with it all the time, it'd unhinge me! You have one person does all the categorising?!! What a horrific job! I wouldn’t want to put that kind of a load on one person. I had a horrific job this last week with several thousand level 1-4s but I will get a couple of frauds or a drugs investigation next, thats just the way we spread the jobs. Breaking it up makes it tolerable, if I was dealing with it all the time, it’d unhinge me!

]]> By: Ryan Hurst http://forensic4cast.com/2009/03/21/desensitisation/comment-page-1/#comment-246 Ryan Hurst Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:32:21 +0000 http://4cast.whitfields.org/?p=184#comment-246 That's a very good point, well made I think. As a mere student of DF, I can't claim to have any experience of abuse images, but I ALWAYS want to be appalled by even the idea of the content, never mind actually facing it. It's a task I'm sure I won't enjoy, but one I hope I will be satisfied in doing - for the eventual outcome. On that last paragraph - combining expertise in DF and child psychology or specific study of crimes against children would be useful in an organisation like CEOP perhaps? And are specialist organisations, combining CEOP's brief with investigative intentions, feasible? That’s a very good point, well made I think. As a mere student of DF, I can’t claim to have any experience of abuse images, but I ALWAYS want to be appalled by even the idea of the content, never mind actually facing it. It’s a task I’m sure I won’t enjoy, but one I hope I will be satisfied in doing – for the eventual outcome.

On that last paragraph – combining expertise in DF and child psychology or specific study of crimes against children would be useful in an organisation like CEOP perhaps? And are specialist organisations, combining CEOP’s brief with investigative intentions, feasible?

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